The only thing that stops God sending a second Flood is that the first one was useless.
- Nicolas Chamfort
Or (if you want to be all obvious about it)
It is here, where we stand, that we should try to make shine the light of the hidden divine life.
- Martin Buber
Or (if you want to be all obvious about it)
It is here, where we stand, that we should try to make shine the light of the hidden divine life.
- Martin Buber
Me: I think we’d
probably better put down towels before logging on to the rest of the internet.
Him: Why?
Me: Because of the
flooding. Bits’re going to melt.
Him: You wouldn’t
notice it. You never notice it when the
room starts to flood around you.
Me: Ha! Exactly.
Speaking of The Flood, and other non-canonical Doctor Who stories that
got referenced in… Bit of Kroton, the
Cyberman with a soul. Well, that was
Death in Heaven. We’d better race
through it quite quickly. What did you
think?
Him: It’s a weird
name.
Me: Yeah, it didn’t
have much to do with-
Him: I think Steven
Moffat’s thought of the name, thought it sounds cool and just flung it at the
top.
Me: That was every
single Russell T. Davies finale in one go.
You’ve got-
Him: There was no
Jesus.
(Pause.)
Me: No. You’ve got the Master appearing on the same Cardiff street as he did as Mister Saxon in The Sound of Drums, when he gave the speech about the country needing a Doctor. You’ve got all the business with UNIT… Doomsday – with Clara and Danny trapped in different worlds. Death in Heaven’s reminiscent of His Dark Materials, and the last time Doctor Who obviously referenced that was the end of Doomsday where the Doctor and Rose ended up in different worlds, this time round it’s Clara and Danny. I totally called it with Tragedy.
Him: Maybe it’s a
coincidence.
Me: It’s not a
coincidence. We’re supposed to think the
Master is referencing Lecter in The Silence of the Lambs, but it’s not. It’s actually referencing The End of Time
Part Deux.
Him: Duh?
Me: With the gurney
thing. Killing off Osgood without a ‘y’. I thought that was a bit harsh after she’d
basically been told she could be a companion.1
Him: It’s probably
why they killed her off.
Me: What did you
think of the Travelodge adverts?
Him: I didn’t notice
them. Genuinely.
Me: How about Dodo’s
reference?
Him: Might just’ve
been a name.
Me: The ‘Chaplet
Funeral Home’? None of that’s
accidental. Night of the Living Dead,
Return of the Living Dead, let’s see…
Lots of The Moonbase. Clara’s
little speech and the upgraded Danny Pink sitting up. What was it you said?
Him: “Did you check
in here?”
Me: And the
supporting artist? When it started raining on a
bit of cemetery that wasn’t in Cardiff. He pointed up and said…
Him: “Look. At that.”
Me: Ha! That’s somebody’s cousin.
Him: I wasn’t
referring to bad acting, I was referring to the, “Look. Rain.”
Me: “What. Could possibly. Be going on.
Here?”
Him: A whole crowd of
people have gathered round to watch the rain.
“Rain!”
Me: “Rain!” It was nice to see Moffat’s retconned all of
human history this time round. Think
big, lad. Bit of Sharknado? I wasn’t expecting that. What was it you said about Cybermen on a
plane?
Him: Yeah. Feel free to use that quote if you like.
Me: Ha! “I’m getting fed up-“
Him: “I’m getting
sick and tired of all these Cybermen on this plane.”
Me: Ha!
Him: Just, “these
Cybermen on this plane.”
Me: The twenty-third
of November 1986. I need to jump back in
and work out why that’s an important date.2
Cyberpollen being an evolution of Cybernanites, that was interesting.
Him: I came up with
the name ‘Cybernanites’.
Me: Yeah, you
did. I liked the way you pointed out
that some of the Cybermen were taller than others. But that makes sense now.
Him: No, nope, it
really doesn’t.
Me: Well, if the body
inside’s got a taller skeleton…
(The Him sighs.)
Him: Look, when
you’re running… Phones. Phones’re made on a production line, right?
Me: Yeah.
Him: Every phone is
made the same size.
Me: Yeah.
Him: Because it makes
the production line more efficient.
Me: Uh huh.
Him: That means that
every Cyberman has been made by hand.
Before they had all the Cyber-
Me: Yeah, okay, that makes
sense. I thought the episode’s structure
was a little bit shonky. And it wasn’t
as good as the first part. Dark Water
was excellent, I didn’t think that was as good.
But…
Him: “I’m no Dark
Water Barry.”
Me: Ha! There were some
bits of it that were very, very good. And
much better than they… The big scene in
Death in Heaven is the one that ends the story properly, ‘cause all the rest is
just glitter and showing off. The scene
between Danny and Clara in the graveyard, that’s really the story.
And also, the scene in the cafĂ© is almost the end of the story. The things that people aren’t telling each
other. Capaldi was outstanding. That bit where he’s looking out into empty
space where Gallifrey’s supposed to be…
And then the raging afterwards.
That was so-
Him: Shows how
fragile the TARDIS is, doesn’t it?
Me: Ha! Yeah!
It starts exploding-
Him: The bits he’s
not even punching.
Me: “Don’t hit me,
master!” I thought the bit about hugs
was good. And you pointed out that Doctor
Who London is exactly the same as-
Him: Doctor Who Glasgow.
Me: And just happens
to be in-
Us: Cardiff.3
Me: The coordinates
for Gallifrey add up to twenty-three.
But we won’t read too much into that.4
Him: Are you sure of
that?5
Me: I’m fairly
sure. The countdown was
interesting…6 Gremlins on the wing…7
Him: Ha!
Me: Clara had your
phone.
Him: What?
Me: Clara’s got your
phone. It’s your phone.
Him: Oh yeah.
Me: The Doctor’s
president of Gallifrey as well as president of Earth, that was quite
interesting.
Him: I’m assuming
that after he left the post of president of Gallifrey they’ve probably elected
a new one since.
Me: Yeah. It was nice that the ‘squee’ was
addressed.8
Him: Why was that
nice?
Me: Both of our
readers’ll know. I’ll explain later.
Him: Explain to me.
Me: Gerry Anderson
now exists within the world of Doctor Who.
So that’s Thunderbirds and-
Him: The TV show
does.
Me: Not just that,
because the Doctor talks about dancing with Sylvia Anderson, who was Gerry
Anderson’s wife and did the voice of Lady Penelope. There’s a bit in, I think, Thirty Years in
the TARDIS – well, More Than Thirty Years in the TARDIS – where Gerry
Anderson’s interviewed and he’s bemoaning the fact that his son, despite all his
best efforts… “And my greatest regret is
that my son is…” And then his son says,
“A Doctor Who fan!” I thought that was a
nice touch, because I’d be surprised if Gerry Anderson’s son wasn’t
watching… A tribute to the old
guard. However… Before we get on to the really good
stuff… Apart from the chocolate orange Saint Paul’s-
Him: Ha!
Me: - did you want to
say anything about the flying Cybermen?
Him: I still think
they could’ve had jetpacks or something.
Do you know how difficult rocket boots would be to control?
Me: Ha!
Him: Even if they're made of
metal! They’d be doing some sort of
crazy Irish dance in the air just trying to control them!9
Me: Feet of Flames!
Him: They’d be
crashing into buildings left and right.
Me: It’d be
horrendous, wouldn’t it? An absolute
disaster. Right. For me, the stuff that didn’t work in that
episode was, weirdly enough, Missy. And that doesn't include the excellent Michelle Gomez.
Him: You didn’t like
the music either.
Me: The music was
terrible. Well, most of it was good, but
there were moments that managed to ruin scenes for me.
Him: “The bits I
noticed were awful.”10
Me: It’s not just the
bits I noticed. Some of the music cues
were all over the shop. When Osgood
died, what the hell were they doing?
There’s no way that piece of music should’ve got through. It cheapened it.
Him: It’s because
it’s the victory for Missy.
Me: Yeah, I get that,
but it was really, really tacky. It
undersold the scene for me and took away all of the impact and if you’re putting
it on at that time of night, what’s the point of adding comedy parp-parp
music? Have some guts. Make it count. It takes away from the sheer evil and
cheapens it. And the sub-James Bond
nonsense that’s been sitting on a hard-drive waiting for a cloudy fall? Just like the sort of smug, preening rot that
ran through The End of Time. Would’ve been
brilliant if it’d been subtler.
Him: And it should
only have been about five seconds long as well.
Me: Yeah. Eh?
Him: Terminal
velocity’s in everything. With terminal velocity,
right…
Me: Yeah.
Him: With the
Doctor’s gravity changing when he lands in the TARDIS – It would’ve killed
him. His terminal velocity would’ve
changed too quickly. Or, rather, his
terminal velocity would’ve stopped and gone back to a regular velocity, which
doesn’t make any sense and therefore he just would’ve ceased to exist.
Me: Bigger on the inside than the outside. I think we’ll just work on the basis that-
Him: I’m pretty sure
he’d have been stretched.
Me: We’ll let him get
away with it for the sake of drama. Now,
you’ve not watched Sherlock have you?
Him: No. I live a good life.
Me: Missy was written almost exactly the same as
Moriarty in Sherlock. And, a lot of Death
in Heaven felt to me as though the Baker Street Boys had changed places and we
had Mark Gatiss writing it. Chunks
seemed to be bolted on as pastiches of other things, “This bit’s from Silence
of the Lambs, this bit’s from this film, this bit’s from here.” Which is exactly the way that Gatiss writes,
but not really the way that Moffat writes.
It felt like he was doing that just to get through those scenes because
he had to get to the cemetery. The
cemetery’s the real end of the story, that’s where it pays off. The rest of the ‘big’ things, all the bracelets
and… That’s obfuscation. That’s Moffat’s patter to cover what he’s
really doing – the real trick is what’s going on underneath. It’s Clara’s story – the whole series has
been that-
Him: You’d think
there’d be a bunch of child Cybermen as well.
Me: They’ll be
there. Although Moffat’s got this army
of Cybermen-
Him: What about
Cybermen who had faulty spines and things like that?
Me: They’d have been
fixed. Although he’s got Cybermen in it
and a return for the Brigadier – which, I wouldn’t have done, personally-
Him: It was a bit
bizarre.
Me: It wasn’t
great. Yeah, Kate Lethbridge-Stewart had
to get through it… And the Doctor
couldn’t ‘kill’ Missy.
Him: He could’ve just killed off everyone. Gone all Russell T. Davies on it.
Me: The end was very
Russell T. Davies. Clara’s eyes in the
credits were interesting, but didn’t fool anybody, I wouldn’t have
thought. It was a disappointing retread
of the moment where the Pandorica opened and Amy was inside. It’s what was being aimed for, but it didn’t
succeed. Clara obviously wasn’t the
Doctor.
Him: The thing
is… The Pandorica Opens and The Big
Bang… I’m pretty sure he tried his
hardest to make sure that they didn’t make any sense. Therefore, you couldn’t find a plothole
because it was a plothole. It all wound
back, and the story made sense but there’s no possible way to understand it
all. Unless you wrote it.
Me: I think the way
that Moffat works these things is by starting with the reveal and working
backwards, as with any trick. Start at
the end and then work out how to get there, covering your tracks as you
go. Rubbing out the pencils and so
on. Having said that, I don’t totally
believe that he definitely had in mind that Missy gave Clara the phone number
back in The Bells of Saint John.
Him: No, I don’t
think he did.
Me: I think that’s
one of the trapdoors that’s been written in that later on he’s thought, “If I
close this now, then that’s what’ll this’ll do.” It works fine, it’s perfect, but-
Him: Listen never
came back.
Me: I don’t think
this is finished. I think this a
thirteen-episode series that’ll finish at Christmas.
Him: I think you need
to let Listen go.
Me: There’s been no
closure. It’s not finished. Clara didn’t finish speaking to the
Doctor. That’s not the end of Clara’s
story. It’s still a Tragedy, but the
moment of divine intervention hasn’t happened yet. It’s not going to end there. The scene with Clara and Danny Pink-
Him: You don’t need
to always call him ‘Danny Pink’.
Me: That scene was
absolutely brilliant. That’s what the
whole thing was about – for me. The
whole series has been about getting to that conversation. All the human emotions and the questions that
the Doctor has to ask himself… It
becomes so intimate and closed but it’s more…
It was terribly sad. Terribly,
terribly sad and beautifully written and played. Jenna Coleman and Samuel Anderson have been
fantastic throughout this series, but I do feel that the Danny Pink character
has been treated quite harshly – which is fine, because you can do that with
fictional characters. As the Doctor said, he’s neither good nor bad – but then,
he’s a god, so he’s beyond that, and Clara’s neither good nor bad because she’s
fictional. The resolution’s still
coming. By having things being interrupted
– by having the flow broken – this story has yet to finish. Although it’s very much like the end of
Doomsday – where Donna appears in the TARDIS and it’s, “What? What?
WHAT?” As opposed to when the
Titanic arrives and it’s…
Us: “What? What?
WHAT?”
Me: In this one it’s
Nick Frost as Santa - The raised
eyebrow! - It’s exactly the same.
Him: Just without
the-
Us: “What? What?
WHAT?”
Me: I think we’ve got
through everything there. Oh! The thing I was talking about. The Mark Gatiss thing. You did the international sign for typing
with elbows.
(The Him does the international sign for typing with elbows.)
Me: That’s the
one! “This stuff writes itself!”
Him: I forget when I
did that.
Me: Around about one
of the Travelodge adverts.
Him: What was
happening? Was it when the first
Cyberman flew up into the sky and exploded?
Me: It might’ve been
that. What did you think of the effects?
Him: You’re the one
that moans about effects.
Me: Alright. I think that’s it then, basically. That’s not the end of this series-
Him: Listen is gone.
Me: We’re going to
finish on a cliffhanger here, because this is not the end of our ‘review’s for
this season… But we’d probably better
finish with some sort of noise. Do you
want to make a noise?
Him: Let’s make the
noise of silence.
Me: And on that bomb-
Him: NO!
Me: -shell.
Him: Silence.
1. Parting of the
Ways. Ahem.
2. It might be because it’s the birthday of either Filipina actor Maxene Magalona or Italian footballer Luigi Scaglia, but that seems a bit strange. Maybe because it’s the day that William Badders died, but that seems a bit mean. Possibly, the Doctor had seen Betty Blue or The Mosquito Coast or that Star Trek film about whales. He might even have just read It by Stephen King. Personally, I reckon it’s because he'd only finished watching Terror of the Vervoids the night before and was still looking forward to seeing how Robert Holmes was going to wrap this one up.
3. Queen Street, Cardiff. Next to The Friary and convenient for the Travelodge opposite the launch point for the Doctor Who Locations Guided Tour. Once upon a time The Friary was a canal. Just saying.
4. Him: Oooooo. ‘Twenty-threeeeee’.
5. Me: Yes, yes I am.
6. Flesh and Stone.
7. Nightmare at 20,000 Feet.
8. I think the author’s face - as well as the author’s voice - might have been visible in that particular shot. You know the one.
9. I'm saying nothing.
10. Imagine Matt Berry or Christopher Morris saying that.
11. Sometimes he gets a bit tangled up though. Too Many Cooks and all that...
2. It might be because it’s the birthday of either Filipina actor Maxene Magalona or Italian footballer Luigi Scaglia, but that seems a bit strange. Maybe because it’s the day that William Badders died, but that seems a bit mean. Possibly, the Doctor had seen Betty Blue or The Mosquito Coast or that Star Trek film about whales. He might even have just read It by Stephen King. Personally, I reckon it’s because he'd only finished watching Terror of the Vervoids the night before and was still looking forward to seeing how Robert Holmes was going to wrap this one up.
3. Queen Street, Cardiff. Next to The Friary and convenient for the Travelodge opposite the launch point for the Doctor Who Locations Guided Tour. Once upon a time The Friary was a canal. Just saying.
4. Him: Oooooo. ‘Twenty-threeeeee’.
5. Me: Yes, yes I am.
6. Flesh and Stone.
7. Nightmare at 20,000 Feet.
8. I think the author’s face - as well as the author’s voice - might have been visible in that particular shot. You know the one.
9. I'm saying nothing.
10. Imagine Matt Berry or Christopher Morris saying that.
11. Sometimes he gets a bit tangled up though. Too Many Cooks and all that...
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